Jun 7, 2022 • 1HR 12M

Julie Zhuo on accelerating your career, impostor syndrome, writing, building product sense, using intuition vs. data, hiring designers, and moving into management

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Lenny Rachitsky
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Julie Zhuo is the co-founder of Sundial, a company that helps builders make meaningful use of data to fulfill their mission. With over 400K followers across social media, she is one of the most influential leaders in product design, and product thinking broadly.

Julie started her career at Facebook as a product designer and eventually led teams of 100+ designers as the VP of Design. Her experience leading at Facebook motivated her to publish the Wall Street Journal best seller The Making of a Manager in 2019. On the side, Julie shared her thoughts on technology, design, and leadership in The Looking Glass, the blog that inspired Lenny’s Newsletter.

Find the full transcript here: https://www.podpage.com/lennys-podcast/julie-zhuo-on-accelerating-your-career-impostor-syndrome-writing-building-product-sense-using-intuition-vs-data-hiring-designers-and-moving-into-management/#transcript


In this episode, you will learn about:

1) The making of a VP

  • How did Julie find her way to product design? 

  • How did she navigate through impostor syndrome given the growing responsibilities as Facebook rapidly scaled? 

  • What are the challenges she faces as she transitions from VP to founder? 

2) The impact and habit of writing

  • What goals was Julie able to achieve through writing?

  • What did she do to build a habit of writing?

  • Does she think tweeting is better than blogging?

3) How to develop product sense and make better design decisions

  • What are the three tried-and-true steps to develop product sense?

  • When do you choose intuition over data?

  • What’s the secret to facilitating great product/design review meetings?

3) How to take your first steps into management

  • What can you do to unblock your path to become a manager?

  • What’s the must-know trick in competing for design talent?

Where to find Julie:

  • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-zhuo/

  • Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/joulee

  • Sundial: sundial.so

  • Book: The Making of a Manager, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079WNPRL2/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1

  • Substack: https://lg.substack.com/

  • Medium: https://medium.com/the-year-of-the-looking-glass

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