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Great conversation. You guys covered a lot!

I totally agree with the passion, range area. I spent my first 10 years moving from one area to another, yet doing each role with intense passion, learning aggressively and "extreme ownership" so this part really resonated.

My takeaways - communication is the job, depends on the weeds, eye of Sauron (and its shadow), fascinating tell me more... (why we disagree), Wax on wax off, Forge versus the dam, org charts are communication devices and last but not least "Trust yourself".

In my old office in London, we had the Tracey Emin piece of work "More Passion" on the wall.

It summed up the whole episode! Thank you for sharing.

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