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Q: Iâm about to start interviewing for a new job, and Iâm really bad at negotiating. I know I should, but I basically never negotiate my comp. How do I learn to negotiate, without pissing anyone off?
If you think youâre bad at negotiating, Iâm even worse, I promise you. Why canât you just tell me how much itâll be, and then we can move on? Why do we need to play this game?? Jeez louise.
Well, the reason we have to play this game is because, like it or not, everyone else is playing it. And youâre probably losing â on salary, equity, and promotions.
The good news is that because the other side is playing, they expect you to play along (especially at larger companies). So it rarely creates hard feelings when you negotiate. But you have to know how. And thatâs where todayâs post comes in.
Since Iâm so bad at this, I pulled in Niya Dragova, co-founder of Candor, to answer your question and to share her hard-earned negotiating wisdom with us. Niya has single-handedly helped hundreds of people negotiate their compensation at all of the top tech companies and, as youâll see below, has incredible insights into the process. I can honestly say this is the most useful post Iâve ever come across on the topic, and Iâm really excited to share it with you all. Enjoy!
You can find Niya on LinkedIn and Twitter, you can learn more about Candor here, and donât miss Niyaâs insightful weekly newsletter that highlights hiring trends across the largest tech companies.
The 10 commandments of salary negotiation
by Niya Dragova
The largest salary increase Iâve helped get was for a female FAANG executive: I helped her get $5.4M more on her offer. Through the process, it struck me that even though she was a senior leader everyone admired (youâd 100% know of her if I told you her name), she had very little knowledge of how to negotiate. Donât get me wrong â she knew how to ask and be assertive, but she was much less comfortable âplaying the game.â
And sheâs not alone.
Regardless of how senior or junior you are, most tech folks struggle with negotiation. Partially this is because compensation is set up to be intentionally misleading. Partially itâs because sticking up for yourself is nerve-racking AF.Â
Here are the 10 commandments to negotiation I wish everyone knew:Â
1. Negotiation starts earlier than you think
Every recruiter worth their salt will ask about your salary expectations when you first start interviewing. Do not â I repeat, do not â give them a number.
What to do instead: Ask for the range theyâre budgeted for the role.
How to say it: âCan you tell me the salary band for this level? Happy to let you know if itâs within my range, and we can discuss specific numbers later when Iâve met the team.â
Bonus points: If youâre junior/mid, time all your interviews so you get offers around the same time. If youâre senior, get some press before you start meeting folks.
2. Mine for intel during interviews
Go into the interview ready not just to answer questions but to ask some of your own. You will use this as ammunition to negotiate later. Here are a few examples of what you should ask:
Whatâs the biggest priority for the team right now?
Why is this role open?
Whatâs the biggest challenge for someone stepping into this role?
How does the org structure on the team work?
3. Donât give in to the pressure
Once youâve been offered the role, the recruiterâs job shifts from evaluating you to closing you. Most experienced recruiters will ask you again to put up a number for your salary. Clever recruiters may even tell you that they âwill go to bat for you.â Yeah, no thanks.
What recruiters say: âIf you give me your number, I will make it happen for you.â
What they mean: âIâll get you something lower, but kinda close to what you asked for.â
[Editors note: Some recruiters do indeed go to bat for you, and genuinely want to help you get what you want. Just donât assume they all do.]
4. At FAANG, your recruiter may have no say at all
At FAANG-size companies (i.e. over 5K employees), compensation is heavily formulaic. In fact, there is often a separate team â the âcompensation committeeâ â who sets your salary. They take into account your background, interview performance, and level. They give the recruiter a number to go with. The recruiter then gives you the number, and every time you negotiate they have to go back to that committee to ask for a re-evaluation.
What do clever recruiters do? They get your number up-front to save some legwork.
Unfortunately, this may hurt your chances of getting more on your offer later. It also deprives you of some valuable data â where you fall in the level/salary band. If you get caught in this loop, quickly turn the tables: most companies will consider ânew information,â like another offer, to reopen a negotiation. Donât forget, an offer to stay from your existing company also counts!
5. Read between the lines
Your initial offer speaks volumes, if you know how to interpret the data. Here are a few scenarios you should consider:
Letâs say youâre applying for an L6 role at a big company.Â
Initial offer comes in low: The team may have felt that you have a lot of âroom for growth.â In this case, my advice is to dig deeper and ask the interviewer to share feedback from folks who met you to fix any misconceptions before you ever negotiate. Telling someone you want more money because youâre âthe greatest PM everâ while the team felt you were âmehâ is not going to fly.
Middle of the road: You got âthe numberâ (the medium opening number thatâs basically a template recruiters use). Itâs the most common opening offer â companies do this to reduce risk of lawsuits. Over 80% of people get it. It likely means you donât have a strong advocate on the interview loop. Do not negotiate until you match with a team and you have a manager batting for you.Â
Initial offer comes in top-of-band: There was likely a discussion about giving you a higher level. Many times in this case, you can push for an âout-of-bandâ offer â essentially getting paid for an L7 while youâre an L6.
6. At a startup, the playbook is differentÂ
You may be dealing with the founder directly. Itâs very likely there is no range for the role, as smaller companies have much less access to salary data. The goal at the initial offer conversation is to understand three things:
The current state of the company (financing, runway, profitability)
The plan for your role/function
The value of the equity, considering exit scenarios
That last one can be tricky because you need data the recruiter may be reluctant to give â the option strike price, preferred price, number of outstanding shares â and you need to understand how options work. At last, get ready to ask:
âWhat is the valuation based on?â
And get ready to not get a straight answer until youâve asked five times (yes, this is normal).Â
TL;DR: Ask the questions an investor would ask because, *news flash*, you are now an investor â but instead of cash, youâre staking your time and earning trajectory on the companyâs success. You can meet with the investors too; itâs 100% OK to ask for that when the company is early-stage.
Lastly, 2021 has been a weird year for startup compensation, so much of the data from previous years is unreliable. Remote work, abundant access to capital, and greater trust in international talent have skewed things quite a bit. Still, I find the Holloway Guide ranges to be a good starting point.
7. Your job is to win hearts and minds
It can be tempting to think you need to negotiate now that you have data. Nope, not yet. The next step, instead, is to upsell your worth before you come back with any kind of counteroffer. This is especially important if youâre going for a senior role.
What to do next: Ask for follow-up meetings with decision makers. If youâre a Director or higher, you can usually ask to meet with any VP and possibly C-level execs. VPs can often meet with the CEO and even board members. Take your time; this is important if you want your salary to reflect your value. If everyone wants you, youâll be calling the shots later.
How to run these effectively: Come prepared with three things, tailored to who youâre meeting:Â
Questions about how you can create meaningful impact
Ideas based on your interviews so far
Bonus points: discussing obstacles to your taking the role and making them sell you on it
8. OK, now get some good data
Did you know that women make only 47 cents in equity for every dollar a man makes? A HUGE reason for that is that many women donât fully evaluate their offer before negotiating. Letâs change that. Particularly if you are a woman, ask yourself these questions:Â
Is the offer competitive? (Browse 5.3M offers here.)Â
How does it work? (When do I vest; what is the stock worth?)
Is it all true? (Is the value of the equity over-inflated?)
Does it add up? (Consider taxes on bonuses and stock.)
If you have goaled comp, are the goals realistic?
9. Comparing offers
Not all offers are made equal â in fact, they are intentionally confusing. At Google, you may get a front-loaded vesting schedule on your stock; at Amazon, sizable cash bonuses the first two years. It seems obvious that you should look at the comp, but thatâs not everything:
Which company has a better trajectory?
How do promotions work?
Is your manager influential enough to pull for you when needed?
Is your product or team visible enough to get good resourcing?
Whatâs the company brand worth to your earnings trajectory?
TL;DR: Getting paid more up-front doesnât always mean youâll make the most overall. Plan carefully.
10. Time to make an ask
It can be awkward to ask for more money, but trust me, everyone expects you to do it. On top of that, it doesnât help that so much of the advice out there is conflicting. Letâs set the record straight:
âI need a competing offer.â
MYTH: You absolutely do not need multiple offers. Just being able to say youâre speaking to other companies is sufficient â you can quote the expected salaries for other roles if needed.
âI need to provide copies of my other offers.â
MYTH: Nope, nope, nope (even though Google in particular loves to ask for them). You signed an NDA before every interview, so you can always use that as a reason.
âI should send the recruiter an email with my ask and justification.â
MYTH: Negotiating via email = MAJOR CRINGE and definitely a worse outcome. I know there are folks selling fill-in-the-blank templates out there. My advice if you want a meaningful/large increase is to have the conversation over the phone.Â
âIf I find a number online, I can quote it as a reason to get more.â
MYTH: Nothing boils a recruiterâs blood more than âIt says X on Glassdoor.â Compensation is an exact science â have arguments prepared that are specific to your situation.
âThe best way to get more is to reiterate how qualified I am.â
MYTH: You already got interviewed and everyoneâs read your resume. Thatâs how you got your initial offer; now you need to build additional arguments. Use the information you collected during the interview about what challenges the team is facing â maybe that increases the scope of the role? Discuss why leaving your current role will be hard â are you critical to your current team? In other words: instead of asking for money, make them give you more money by bringing in obstacles the recruiter needs to overcome to close you.Â
âI need to be aggressive and threaten to walk if they donât match.â
MYTH: LOL, let me know how that goes for you. My guess is youâll get a mediocre increase worded as a âfinal offer.â If you want big moves, Iâm talking $100K+ more, you need to collaborate with your recruiter, not make them an enemy.
As a final word of wisdom: Start with negotiating your overall compensation, not individual components. For example, ask for â500Kâ and then the next round ask âCan I have X more equity?â Then, when youâve exhausted all other avenues, ask for a signing bonus. If you still need more help, you can always read our guide. Â
Now that youâve got all these RSUs in your compensationâŚ
If your new RSUs are more than 10% of your liquid net worth, you should make a plan to diversify ASAP. Holding a concentrated position can translate into greater portfolio volatility, which has been shown to reduce compounded growth rates and future wealth. At Candor we help you automate RSU diversification by converting your stock weekly, even during blackout periods. You can find us here.
Thanks, Niya!
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On a related note: be careful how you answer "why are you leaving your present position? Is something wrong there?" If you respond with "they'll never pay me what I'm worth" they will stop considering you as an employee. This was one of the first things I was asked once. My response was "nothing is wrong there, I thank then for giving me a strong start in the industry, but feel ready to move on" I wasn't offered a job.
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I love my current job and have been with them for 8 years now. This is the longest I have spent at one job. My experience was definitely that I did not know my value. I had worked my way up for a few years in IT after I graduated from starting at 40K to 85K. My cousin was making easily above 150K for the "same" kind of work. So when my current job ask me for my salary requirement I just threw 105K out there and they came right back and said "ok, when can you start".... "DOH!", I think I undervalued myself again, haha, but this company has since given me generous raises every year.